Wall RSS FeedFEAR ARTICLE 22
Everyone really needs to read Article 22 very carefully and I will say they should fear this Article especially when you encorporate the changes in Article 48 (5 leg trips). Here at Allied for those who are not aware of some of the details of the 15% pay concession that was made in May 2007, CT Services and Axis which are both Allied owned brokerage companies who keep many non union companies rolling, Allied was to either close and sell these companies or roll that freight into union Allied trucks and this was to be monitored.
Well as you all know this pay concession barely passed but it did and we have all had to live with the night mares of it, now when this passed and the first load of CT services was hauled, there it was “NEW BUSSINESS RATE”. We were all told its just the way it is, now this work was always hauled on Union trucks but now ater Zuckerman made this deal he told us it was new bussiness. When you read the first paragraph of Art 22 that we agreed to 5 years ago it says “For the life of this agreement”, but now we find out the life has been extended to another contract. This new Art 22 now will enable for the longest leg of a 5 leg trip to be paid at running mile then you can be sent in to a foreign terminal and pull up to two 30+ mile trips and from there could be another new bussiness trip (running mile) heading in another direction. The abuses that can be done will be devestating to our income, and our home time. For years our companies have had these brokerage companies that keep the non union carriers loaded while our brothers are on lay off. THESE PRACTICES CANNOT BE TOLERATED and the answer is not either condoning it or cutting our throats. We need to send the message that not one non union truck will load one of these loads if there is as little as 1 union driver laid off. This is our work and should be put on our trucks PERIOD.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
OK so let’s tell the real truth here and reason some of this out. First it says 5 tours. It was explained to us that a tour is until you go to bed. One of my fellow carhaulers who is former freight confirmed this. TOUR is very old freight language. So 5 tours is 5 days NOT legs. They have to send you back towards home after 5 DAYS! Second if you run out of hours they have to pay you for EVERY HOUR you spend waiting for them to catch up. Third you are NOT compelled to take the 36 hour reset, you can do it the old fashioned way. If you think that any of these companies are gonna want to pay you for sitting, guess again. Yes, if you VOLUNTEER to take a long load, say on the 4th tour (day) then you are subject to being out indefinitely. Last (and it’s right there for you to read in article 48) if the company abuses it and it gets deadlocked in arbitration they FORFEIT article 48. END!
July 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Most loads in most of the terminals are 300 + miles and can take a day and a half to run. That’s if your lucky! These companies are going to push the envelope and a tour will be a load not days. Don’t fall for the propaganda machine that they are pushing. A tour now under the current agreement is 2 loads and the third leg heads you back to your terminal. That takes up to four days and that also plays on the mileage of the loads. If you add another two loads your into the 6th and 7th day. Then once you sign that board at your home terminal, you start over. There will be times that you will be out for a couple of weeks at a time unless you run out of hours at your home terminal. Read the proposed wording and not what the BA and Suckerman tells you.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Proposed or not, it’s not the actual wording. Where does it say that a tour is 2 days?
July 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
So run out of hours. If you don’t think sitting in a hotel room for 24 hours while they pay you for every hour will cure the problem you ain’t thinkin’ it through.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
This is not freight, a load can take two days when you factor in the loading and unloading, not to mention the number of stops, and finnaly if you can even get the stops off or not. look at how many dealers are starting to deny STI …
I WANT QUALITY HOME TIME, NOT JUST A LAYOVER AT THE HOUSE. Don’t think for a minute, the companies wont push the envelope on this issue. They will claim that is is dictated by the amount of traffic, and the direction of the traffic, and the available drivers todo the job. I’m not going to sign up for this potential. It leaves to much power in their hands.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
With @ road in rigs you will be hard pressed to run ouit of hours all the time. And i don’t want to be stuck out on the road whether i’m getting paid or not. I did not sign up for a over the road carhauling job. If they can show you dragged ass, good luck getting the catch up hours pay anyway !!!
July 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
There is no wording! Are you willing to have the comity make the wording for you? Thats the problem, the wording is not there and you will have to grieve what ever abuses come out of “NOT HAVING WORDING!”. Most of the decisions at the panel are worthless to us, I don’t want to put my job in their hands let alone our contract wording. If there was wording we wouldn’t be debating this BS contract.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Company abuse will be a fact of life, we won’t even recognize our jobs if this contract goes thru. No more load and park fridays, no more load and park sometimes during the week. no more short days on the road if your not feeling well. RUN, RUN, RUN…
July 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
At our meeting on Art 22 when I asked about the new bussiness from the current contract being still concidered new bussiness on this contract I was told the first sentance was expanded “for the life of this agreement” I guess that means for the next contract if they want it. So just when does the “New Bussiness” rate sunset? I have not been given an answer to that as of yet. And I was also told that Zuckerman said that the current new bussiness will pay as it is mow and then I guess new new bussiness will pay the new new bussiness rate, but it all goes back to show me that in writing ITS NOT THERE!!!!! I was told that thats what it means, so I guess that will be our defence at the committee I thing thats not gonna work, and we were also told that a tour is also concidered a leg of a trip, Atour could be 31 miles or 3000 miles per leg or tour not days
July 13th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Carslinger: You said, “A tour now under the agreement is 2 loads…”. Where does it say that?
From:
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION [4910-EX-P]
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
49 CFR Parts 385, 390 and 395
[Docket No. FMCSA-2004-19608; formerly
FMCSA-1997-2350]
RIN-2126-AA90
Hours of Service of Drivers
Agency: Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), DOT.
Action: Final rule.
J7 Duty Tour:
It is the best judgment of the Agency that a 14-hour non-extendable duty tour period,
in conjunction with 11 hours driving and 10 hours off duty, will reduce driver fatigue,
promote driver health, and improve CMV transportation safety.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
DOT
Hours of Service (HOS) Rule
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
The duty tour is the interval between the time a driver comes on-duty and is released from duty
on a daily basis.
Whats left to interpret?
July 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
From the Eastern Conference Supplement
Once dispatched from his home terminal, a driver may be required to pull a trip or trips away from the direction of his home terminal; provided, however, that he will be dispatched in a manner, that will enable him to be back at his home terminal no later than the completion of his fifth (5th) tour of duty. The foregoing will not preclude a driver from voluntarily picking trip during any tour of duty which cause him to not be returned within such time period. If a driver is forced to take any dispatch during such a tour of duty which causes him to run out of hours on the road, he will be compensated for all time spent picking up hours. It is understood that a driver will operate in a fashion which maximizes his available hours of service. Nothing herein will preclude a driver from being required to pull more than two trips from the same location within such a tour of duty.
Would the last sentence make sense if you interpreted it any other way?
July 13th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
AS FAR AS OLD BUSINESS AND NEW BUSINESS, THEY CAN PUT ALL YOUR PLANT TRAFFIC ON THE RAIL FOR 1 YEAR AND 1 DAY, BRING IT BACK AS NEW BUSINESS RUNNING MILE , WITHIN 3 YEARS IF THEY PLAYED THE GAME RIGHT, WE COULD ALL BE HAULING RUNNING MILE, AS FAR AS THE FIVE TOURS, WHAT IF THEY OFFER YOU A VOLUNTARILY LOAD THAT IS BETTER THAN A FORCED LOAD, WHAT IF THE VOLUTARY LOAD IS ALWAYS A BETTER LOAD THAN A FORCED LOAD, IF 2 DRIVERS UNLOAD IN A AREA WHERE THERE IS CURRENT FULL RATE TRAFFIC, AND NEW RUNNING MILE TRAFFIC, WHAT IS GOING TO STOP THEM FROM SENDING THE JUNIOR DRIVER TO HAUL THE FULL RATE TRAFFIC AND THE SENIOR DRIVER TO HAUL THE RUNNING MILE TRAFFIC, NOTHING
July 13th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
JUST READ A FLYER ON THE 20% RULE, WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT,
Regarding the 20 percent rule, the tentative agreement does NOT
change this: “Employers may make some dispatches into and
out of areas where employees are currently on layoff; provided,
however, such dispatches shall not exceed twenty percent (20%)
of a terminal’s loads each day.”
IT DOESN’T CHANGE IT, BUT AS IT’S WRITTEN IT HAS NO PROTECTION , WE HAD OVER 30% OF OUR DRIVERS LAID OFF LAST YEAR, HAD OVER 2000 UNIT’S ON THE GROUND, AND THEY WERE BUILDING OVER A HUNDERED LOADS A DAY, AND ROLLING THEM OVER, WE WERE GETTING STUCK WITH THE OLD LOADS, THE BACKHAULERS WERE HAULING THE LONG LOADS, AND THE BACKHAULERS WERE GETTING A LOT OF THE COMPETITIVES WHICH IS NOT COVERED BY THE 20% RULE, THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED CHANGED TO BE 20% OF THE DISPATCHED LOADS, AND ALSO BE ABLE TO PUT COMPETITIVES IN THERE TO PROTECT THE TERMINAL DRIVERS ,, BOTTOM LINE IS THEY JUST DON’T CARE!!!!
July 14th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Why would they? If this thing passes, we are doomed. And thats what they want. Please people just VOTE no…
July 14th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Homer you don’t get it! The bottom line is that you will vote on something that does not have any language in black and white. If that is the case you wont have a grievance when you complain about, you not being home for 6 weeks.lol What is A, B, & C dispatch? I don’t know if you run over the road now, but in my terminal you go out on load and you are sent to pick up another load that can go anywhere. Then the third load has to go toward my home terminal. This puts me out at least 4 days and I’m one of the top producers in my terminal. Can you imagine if you had two more TOURS? Get it? I think you have been taken by your BA.lol
July 14th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
The DOT has nothing to do with the contract. One tour = one load in the eyes of the company. If a load takes you 1000 miles one way, how many tours is that in the unions eye and in the companies?
July 15th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Sorry 1 tour = 1 day. Thats from Zuckermans own mouth. On Teamstersonline a freight guy told us that 7 tours = 6 beds.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Sorry 1 tour = 1 day. Thats from Zuckermans own mouth. On Teamstersonline a freight guy told us that 7 tours = 6 beds.
http://teamstersonline.com/forums/carhaul-division/7410-contract-talk-5.html See Snowflakes post
July 15th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
If you actually believe him then vote yes and then see me I have some property that I will sell you
July 15th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
I THINK THAT A TOUR IS GOING TO BE WHATEVER THE COMPANY DEEMS IT, IT SAYS YOU ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO 2 ROAD TRIPS ON ONE TOUR, SO HOW LONG IS A ROAD TRIP, AND IF THEY HAVE TO LIMIT YOU TO 2 ROAD TRIPS, MOST ROAD DRIVERS CAN’T EVEN HAUL 2 LOCAL LOADS IN ONE DAY, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO LIMIT YOU TO 2 ROAD TRIP ON ONE TOUR.ABOUT 14 YEARS AGO A BUDDY OF MINE IN FRIGHT HAD TO DO LIKE 3 TOURS TO EARN TIME OFF, ONE TOUR WOULD BE DALLAS TO DENVER VIA PORTLAND, THIS IS WHERE MY CONFUSSION COMES FROM. I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING THE EQUIALIZATION OUT OF THE CONTRACT, AND THE RUNNING MILE ON NEW BUSINESS, I CAN STAY OUT IF I’M GOING TO MAKE MONEY, BUY IF RUNNING MILE IS ALL IT’S GOING TO PAY, I DON’T EVEN WANT TO STAY OUT OVERNIGHT, AND I WON’T.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Only accept what is written in black and white. What anyone says is irrelevant to what is written.
Better have it right the first time because your going to have to live it.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
And yet more abuses from Allied and the 15% pay cut agreement, CT Services which was to be either sold os incorporated into Allied when the pay cut was voted in and has never happened over a year later. I just got a call from a driver out of Tampa that has been laid off since April 25th and has been working for a non union car carrier and has been hauling freight all over th US for both CT Services and Axis just got another load that he is heading into Allied’s Tampa yard to load a load for CT Services going to Houston, Tx. You can sure bet that if this contract goes through CT Service/ Allied will put that load on our truck so you can run a 1100 mile run for about $550. There is no loyalty in this company and we all need to remember this when the market does turn arround and they ask you to haul an extra load and when times sre tough they rather put you on the street on lay off and farm the freight out so they can get there way. SICK JUST VOTE NO!!!!!
July 16th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Gonzo, This is exactly what we are in store for if this contract passes! Except, it will be new business and you will be hauling it at half rate! This is sicking, because those are the issues of labor that Suckerman should be paying close attention to. Oh! I forgot, Suckerman’s new found brother owns Allied!
July 16th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Homer, If Suckerman says something in front of 200 men and he does the opposite, what ramifications do you think there are? The contract passes, and he will disappear! (Hopefully in one of the pilers in the new Yankees Stadium!) Who do we go after? Hoffa? No! We will never get back what we lose, and then it’s to late. Not to many words from Hoffa these days on this contract! The fix is on and so is the set up!