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June 17, 2008 at 6:50 pm
In the wake of PTS’s closure, carhaul employers are trying to violate the national contract and deny the right of PTS Teamsters to follow their work.
This attack on our contract, our solidarity, and on Teamsters who struck when they were called out by the International Union cannot be tolerated. All these Teamsters ask is that Article 5 of the contract be honored by Jack Cooper, Allied, Cassens and Active Transportation.
At the national grievance hearing today, the employers refused to abide by the contract, and deadlocked initial cases, including Kentucky Local 651 vs. Cassens, and Dallas Local 745 vs. Jack Cooper. Those hearings will continue tomorrow, but the initial cases show that a stronger stand will be needed to protect our jobs and seniority rights.
June 17th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
A STRONGER STAND is exactly WHAT WILL HAPPEN ! WE WILL NOT tolerate being run over & ignored. I understand the feelings of the younger members but WE ARE ALL TEAMSTERS & this is B.S. WE are all in this TOGETHER ! DIVIDED WE FALL ! Put yourseves in our place for five minutes . WHAT WOULD YOU DO?! AT THIS VERY MOMENT, we are helping your companies gain new business . We are driving & operating the shit your companies parked on the fence ! Why?! TO ENSURE TEAMSTER CARHAUL SURVIVES! WE ARE BUSTING OUR ASS TO HELP ALL OF US GAIN ! ALL of us know the level of dedication & incredible calibre of work ethic it takes to be a CAR HAULER. We’ve all worked metros & nights & slipseat & whatever & for what? WOULD YOU IN OUR PLACE SAY NO PROBLEM WE’LL SHRINK TO THE BOTTOM OF YOUR BOARD ? WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION !! DOVETAILING MEANS CONTINUOUS!!!!!! ENDTAILING MEANS JUST THAT !!! THE END !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 18th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Very well said and EVERY TEAMSTERS should by all means understand the importance of following work and keeping your job and SENOIRTY in tact when that happens. And as you stated we all must stand together
June 21st, 2008 at 10:17 pm
If PTS workers came to work and the doors were locked I wouldnt have any arguement for their seniority rights, but this is not the case.. Allied drivers understood what would have happened if they didnt except the pay reductions, they did and their still working..PTS drivers rolled the dice and lost…now me and 40 other drivers some of who transferred cause our work was given up by the our company now face losing our jobs cause PTS drivers struck their company out of business…PTS drivers opened a can of worms…Ur former owner is still in,changing ur PTS logo to Allied as we speak, Uniited road is hauling PTS freight ,some of ur drivers who are being absorbed are looking at pay cuts. So who benefits from the strike and closure..the most senior men..and the question is asked why united road and others are taking our freight? maybe because the junior guys the future of the teamsters are dissatisfied and fed up with constantly being stepped on. But realize this, PTS went out of business while u guys struck..at that point You had no work 2 claim your own, you gave up that right ,just as u gave up the right 2 claim severence, vacation, and unemployement . The union has scrabled to force u guys down our throat but were not going 2 stand by and get stepped on cause u guys lost.. In my barn my shop steward went out on comp the day before u guys struck, that was the first sign., he wont return any active drivers call, and he has said he will not take any greveinces….see a pattern here? The teamsters is a democracy not a autonomy….Cassens and Allied have sent u 2 the bottom of their list……why isnt Active doing the same?
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 am
Not sure what you are talking about^^^^???? Allied voted their pay cut in, we at PTS did not. It was forced. We did not only strike because of the 15% pay cut that piece of shit company shoved down our throats, but our spineless ceo walked away from the negotiation table saying he had a phone call to take and never returned!!! For me going to the bottom of the senority list at a different shop is not much of an issue, i only had three years in but these guys with 25/30 years in and not old enough to retire, why should they go to the bottom? They have put their time in, not only with PTS but with the union. We did not “lose”, the company lost, imo! As i stated, i only had three years in but this company was going down hill, FAST, from the time i started back in 2005.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:46 am
active is heading down the same path as pts no money no way to get truck but to use toyota to get them the trucks. im proud of every person that took a stand at pts to say the hell with pts and its mismanagement, its time to take a stand for whats right!!! as for active its only a matter of time before they march into court and request a give back, i can bet the house on that!!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 am
teamster carhauling is dieing by the second, and i love it cuz us over here at united road just signed a three year deal with toyota & gm, and the funny part is that u teamster r getting f**ked by ur leadship in dc. now ask ur self y would they let allied impose 15% but would not let pts impose 15%, is it becuz of ron burke and his pomises to hoffa & zuckerman, but not one of u teamster dare fight against them selling u out but ur quick to say its the non-union carriers destorying the business.. ask urself that, its ur very own leaders that r selling u out… yeah we dont make as much on a load as the teamsters, but at the end of the day i can go buy a house and not worry about a pay cut or my source of income going under..
June 24th, 2008 at 12:22 am
You keep telling yourself that driver, they can cut your pay in a heartbeat. Ask the NLRB what u are, you are considered a at will employee, which means you can have your pay cut or be terminated at any time. Also ask some of your fellow United scabs how long they worked for them 2 -3 years at the most,ask Union drivers how long they worked on average 10-20 years. From what i see you guys cant haul cars for shit you sure the fuck dont know how chain them down and cant haul more than 8 . Hope you find a bridge. i
June 24th, 2008 at 3:33 am
Hes right. Pts was sold down the river by its own union.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:35 am
WELL LETS SEE HOW THE MAIL IN BALLOTS PAN OUT IF WE ALL VOTE NO ON THIS NEW NAT’L CONTRACT , JUST LIKE TRYING TO VOTE HOFFA OUT !!! DOES ANYONE THINK THAT WAS NOT RIGGED???
June 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
That united driver is exactly right!!!!!!!! our union fucked me and every other driver in the fleet. They had one goal with this strike, closed PTS to make the other three for profitable, that’s it. I was with PTS only 3 years and this piece of shit union never did anything for me and have no plans on doing anything for me even after i stood on a picket line for 5 straight days fighting for our rights and what we beilieved was ours. I will NEVER go to work for a union carrier again…….United, here i come and fuck the TEAMSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 26th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Hey UNITED ROAD,Trans Tech & the rest,don’t plan long term future with no union. Your job could be gone in an instant. In this business things get broke, high $$$$$$. At least a union will help you keep your job. I would hold off on that 30yr. mortgage until you find a real job. To all teamsters-hang tough & stick together.
June 27th, 2008 at 5:07 am
If you ever organize dont go Teamsters… they are a self serving crooked organization. They still have gave no explanation as to why they were all for Allied taking wage cuts but not PTS and why they didnt bring the last offer for the membership to vote on.
June 27th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Well, all I realy got or can say is that this is the weirdest thing I have ever seen. I have read many of these post and they are all what is know. Let me add alittle to it by stating what Transpired with my affiliation and opinion.
First day of PTS Strike. Was there at the Dallas Terminal as it started. Business Agent and other rep, (Not Reps) from roadway showed up too. Now this was my first Strike as a employee. Seen many of them as a kid with My Father. (lol, Todays are nothing like those. Every Teamster mCompany would Honoir the other)). Anyways, theories went fliying and we mad our scheduals for the rest of the week. Mine Next day…
Ok, next day showed up and the Business agent was just leaving saying the STRICK WAS OVER!!!! Make sure you got that right. So I stayed with the others that just walked and the ones that were to with me. We get a call, “GO to Jack Cooper, they got the business. So off we went and called everyone on the way. Phisycals, exray, Drug test were done.
Next day, PTS calls us to report to work since there is no Picketline or Strick. I and others talked about it and I decided to go. Trying to reach the business agent on the way. I got to the parking lot and was talking to the management inside @ PTS. They said, come on we got loads with revenue on them under PTS name.
While I was still waiting for the business agent to call me before entering the Premises, I noticed 15 + Jack Cooper Trucks on OUR (PTS) yard loading our FORD TRAFFIC. I thought, this is weird. Here it is we are going over there and they are already here hauling our freight.
Then the phone rang as it was the business agent. Told him what was said by PTS management and that they have have the Ford Contract and want us to return to work since their is no Picketline or seem to be a Strick going on. The business Agent assured me that the Strick was Real and Going on and to not get out of my Car. I said OK, but if we are on Strick, why in the Hell is Jack Cooper here hauling our Freight? (Which is nothing but pure BS and no BrotherHood at all) He said to me, “TRUST ME”.
Well as we all know now, that Trust has gotten us put out of a Job. Oh yeah, we are at Jack Cooper. But I have never in my life felt the seperation of supposibly in the same brotherhood as I feel there. Kinda like a Racial Thing I would suppose.
I have a JC Driver there that has many Years and I have known him for a little. He told me that they (JC) would never let us follow the work with a dovetail. Boy was he right. Since he was right about that I guess he was about this too. He stated, “Boy we FUKED YOUR FELOLOW GUYS (PTS).
Now, if that is what the UNION is TODAY, I don’t want any part of no more. Brother Hood MY Ass. I really am sorry for you Senoir Hands @ PTS. I am still young enogh to go some where else. I really feel for you guys. Now, that is my story and how it unfolded for me. Good Bye…
June 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
PTS Strike Over—National Bargaining Continues This Week
June 17, 2008: The Teamster strike at PTS has closed a company that was already on the way out. The fight now is to safeguard 100 percent of the PTS Teamsters’ jobs at union carriers.
[b]If our union ensures that the shippers replace PTS with union carriers, and our union enforces Article 5 of the contract to protect the strikers’ jobs and seniority, then the strike will have been a success.[/b]
http://tdu.org/node/2061
June 27th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Rest of the story.
Today there is a hearing in Romulus, Mich. on seniority issues at some 15 locations. Teamsters from many terminals are attending the hearing.
PTS Teamsters in many areas are nervous because they have seen nonunion operators like United Road Service, Sierra Mountain and Accurate Auto Carriers hauling PTS’s former traffic. Mechanics, yard and office Teamsters are also concerned for their jobs. They were as much a part of the strike as the drivers.
Recently the International Union bragged in a press release how they did exactly that, with the help of the UAW, to protect yard Teamsters in Local 89, the home local of Carhaul Director Fred Zuckerman. It’s time to do the same for all PTS Teamsters, including yard workers, mechanics and office personnel.
Let’s make sure that the strike accomplishes its goal: all PTS work must go to union carriers, and PTS Teamsters have the right to follow their work.
The time to protect good Teamster jobs is now.
June 27th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Just spoke with a friend of mine that works for allied in wayne, mi. Cooper came in a took the focus traffice after we (PTS) went on strike and the company closed their doors. He and the other 14 drivers at the allied terminal were told today that cooper will take the enitre yard over effective august 18th and will be dove tailed into cooper. They were also told that the bottom 8 (OF 15 DRIVERS) have less senority than the lowest driver for cooper and will be out of a job….More teamster jobs falling to the waist side. Lets see if the local union does as much for them as they have done for me and the other 141 drivers out my terminal that stood up and lost our jobs…..NOTHING!!!!
June 27th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Maybe Some Changes here…
Just got word that the PTS Employess from the Mesquite yard will Split from the Jack Cooper Board Sunday Night. This means that those PTS Employees will go back to hauling the Ford Freight as a Jack Cooper Driver at that time with their Senority Rights as they were as a PTS Employee at the Mesquite Yard. This remains to be seen on how this will work. I haven’t gotten the full detail other than the Drivers will still have to meet for the equipment at the Jack Cooper Yard in Arlington… Finally a Step in the right Directions for these Union Members of that flow of Traffic.
June 27th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
great posts guys, Keep up the good work
Would any one like to Author a Post?
June 27th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Now active filed chapter 11? who is next????
June 27th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
God bless you “Leasewayover”. You nailed that right on the head….Active transport filed for chapter 11, who’s next?
June 28th, 2008 at 12:36 am
My business agent told us seniority hearings
were last week and we lost. I wonder what
kind of dog and pony show he went too?
June 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
PTS WENT OUT OF BUINESS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT ALLIED WANTED, THEY WERE CONTROLLED BY THE SAME COMPANY, THEY WANTED TO BUY PTS AT A DISCOUNT, SHOVE THE 15% WAGE CUT DOWN THE DRIVERS THROAT, WITH THE HELP OF THE ALLIED DRIVERS , THAT DIDN’T WORK BECAUSE OF THE CREDITORS, NOW THEY WANTED THEM OUT OF BUSINESS SO THEY COULD BUY THE EQUIPMENT AND GO AFTER SOME OF THE BUSINESS THAT PTS HAD, AFTER IT HAS BEEN HAULED BY A NON-UNION COMPANY, THEN THEY GET IT AT RUNNING MILE.OR 15% LESS THAN RUNNING MILE.
COOPER IS TAKING A LOT OF FORD TRAFFIC IN THE MIDWEST,HEARD THEY GOT BOTH LOUISVILLE PLANTS , IF THE RUMOR IS CORRECT ABOUT ARTILCE 48 BEING TRASHED, AND BEING DISPATCHED OUT ON THE FIRST TRIP AT FULL RATE THAN ALL THE REST OF THE TRIPS AT RUNNING MILE, 5 DISPATCHES BEFORE YOU CAN GO HOME, YOU COULD LITERALLY BE HAULING 2 OR 300 MILE TRIPS ALL WEEK AT RUNNING MILE, THEN BY ALL THE TIME LOADING,UNLOADING, DEALER DELIVERY, WORKING 7 DAYS FOR NO MONEY. THE BOTTOM OF THE BOARDS WILL NEVER SEE THERE FAMILY WITH THE 20% THAT THEY CAN FORCE OUT INTO THE SYSTEM TO HOT SPOTS ON RUNNING MILE.
BY THE WAY I’M SURE THE UNION IS FURIOUS ABOUT ALL THESE RUMORS, WERE HOPEFULLLY ARE MAKING IT OUT WORSE THAN WHAT IT IS, BUT THEY COULD HAVE SOLVED ALL THE RUMORS BY PUTTING THE CONTRACT OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE FOR US TO LOOK AT.
June 28th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
To the United Road scab! First of all, only an uneducated idiot would want to load next to another company, that their drivers makes more than you. You have to pay for your benefits, and get 25% of what the load pays. What exactly does the load pay? You wont be able to answer that, because your slave driving company wont tell you the facts. That makes you a loser scab, that has to work 18 hrs a day to make what we TEAMSTERS make in 8 hrs. We Teamsters are professional car haulers, and the dealers wish they had us and not you. Your damage ratio is sky high, because your so busy trying to buy that house, and we already bought it. Ass bucket! Did you know that when you loser’s have to load at an auction you have to walk. When a Teamster gets to an auction, we get a shuttle.
Perfect Scab Scenario!!! You wake in the mourning and you think life is grand, (In your little white and blue United Road truck) and you go into a new terminal. There you get a shit load and you say, darn this sucks. Then you see the terminal managers golf buddy FRED come in, and talk about what a good time they had the night before at the nude bar. Shortly after Ole Fred comes out with a dream load, that pays a whooping $800 to go to California from Michigan. (SCAB RATE!..lol) Then you wonder wow! I wish I was a teamster. As for Hoffa and his boys they will be dealt with, and we will continue to get pensions, benefits, and more money than you scab.
June 28th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Active Car hauler: I worked at Allied and know exactly what was going on. I don’t mean to bash a fellow teamster brother, but Allied drivers should of had the balls that PTS drivers had, and voted the pay cut down. You must not be able to put 2 and 2 together, but Allied never really had financial problems. They never reinvested into Allied Automotive Group, they took the profits and dumped it into other projects and companies. How do you think they had the 64 million dollars, 6 months after you took the pay cut to buy PTS and give 6.5 million in bonuses for you guys to vote yes. Your grand yes vote is what brought all of this to the forefront. That was the start of the end for car hauling. I hope your not getting a ballet in the mail, because we are sure to be doomed, if there are more drivers like you. You sure you don’t work in dispatch, because you sound like Roscoe.
June 28th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
When PTS lost the Toyota work you drivers were not on strike and PTS was still doing business. Under the free trade zone agreement that the imports have with our government we can’t strike or others will haul away the work. LOOK IT UP! Therefore you should not dove tail into those locations. Under article five you guys who lost the the other work because PTS was not doing business you should of been able to dove tail into those terminals. Many of us know that the Union has sold us all out for what ever reason, but we must stand up and take our Union back at all cost. The system is not perfect, but I understand what you guys are going through. The key is to protect what little we have left and fight for our carriers. The last thing we need is to fight among-st each other, and loose sight of our futures. These companies and our Union have a simple point of view, and that is to conquer is to divide. If we are divided, they win. That is the oldest war propaganda in the book! Like in battle you must have heart and work together to win. What are we wining you might ask? We are in fight with big business and politics, that is consuming us all. This are life changing issues that are being brought upon us on purpose, so we loose sight of the contract that is being shoved up our asses. Dove tail and end tail wont mean crap if they eliminate article 48, and start a two teer wage for new hires. If the contract flies it won’t matter and we loose the way of life we all share, and our families suffer the consequences of our mistakes. Lets come up with ways to take back our Union, and our way of life. I’m willing to sacrifice everything I know and love for a good fight, are you?
June 28th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
YOUR RIGHT ON CARSLINGER911, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO NOTHING ABOUT , THE ENDTAIL, DOVETAIL ISSUE IS ONE OF THEM ITEMS, THE INTERNATIONAL , SOLD OUT A LOT OF GOOD DRIVERS, WE ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND TURN DOWN THIS CONTRACT IF IT’S A BAD ONE, ONE THAT TRASHES EQUIALIZATION,(ARTICLE 48) OR HAS ANY RUNNING MILE IN IT, IS A BAD CONTRACT IN MY MIND, I’VE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE WANTING TO HOLD DAMAGES OVER YOU FOR 2 YEARS INSTEAD OF 6 MONTHSL, IF YOU HAD A BAD DAY TODAY, AND ANOTHER ONE 20 MONTHS FROM TODAY YOU COULD END UP FIRED, ALSO HEARD THE COMAPNIES WAS PUSHING A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WOULD TRIGGER A DISCHARGE IN DAMAGES.THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE WANTING GOING IN, DON’T KNOW IF THEY GOT IT.
June 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Leasewayover I have to believe that you are either Canadian, management, or out of touch. We all knew what was at stake. NO ONE sold us down the river. Have you EVER spoken to any Allied drivers? Most if not all of them regret ever voting for their own pay cut. They feel totally screwed. Why would the union make the same mistake again. There were very few American PTS drivers who were willing to take that 15%. EVERYONE knew it including the union. The day we walked out we already knew that PTS would be out of business by the end of the week. It sucks to be out of carhauling for the time being but it sure felt good on Friday the 13th June 2008 when it all came tumbling down and we were on the right side. WE BROUGHT THEM DOWN! Unlike the ENRON debacle. We we NOT THE VICTIMS.
June 29th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Its great that pts. is gone.
All thay wanted to do is suck,
and not put nothing back.
I am very proud of the union
for saying enough is enough.
Carhaul is a hard job and its
not worth doing for less
money. Sure some drivers
say your makeing to much
money. I say, You work for
what you think your worth,
and ill work for what i think
im worth and if you think
think your not worth shit I BELIEVE YOU.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Homer Your temporary feeling of victory will soon change as reality sets in. Intentionally closing a companys doors can never end good for employees. There has already been alot of casualties in this and believe me this is only the tip of the iceburg.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Leasewayover: Too late! I’m not working and all that other crap, but I don’t care. How would I have felt after giving them their 15%, worked my butt off some more, and after lining their pockets for two more months they closed it down anyway? How did all those ENRON employees feel? So if the employer intentionally closes the doors then thats ok?
You’re like someone who thinks the employer is always right and has your best interest in mind. Wake up, profit is the end all…
BTW our BA was in Cleveland on the day that Black Diamond pulled the funding. He told us that PTS wanted another 15% in addition to the original 15% to make up for the money they lost during the strike. So now we’re supposed to go back to work with a 30% pay cut? Gimme a break!
July 1st, 2008 at 6:01 am
In 1995 UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FORTH CIRCUT says The master agreement expressly
authorizes a DOVETAIL regaurdless of ” whether the transaction is called a merger,purchase,acquisition,sale,etc. WHAT THE HELL.
what am I missing hear?
July 1st, 2008 at 9:52 am
Homer. You should have considered the soucrce for all of your information and predictions of gloom and doom.
Nobody could have predicted this outcome more then a weatherman can predict the long range forecast. Your statement of an additional 15% cut is an example of false rumours that were spread for the sole purpose of destruction. Dont you at least wish you guys had the chance to vote on a contract? Decide for yourselves? You have been sacrificed like lambs. If you guys were allowed to take the reduced wage ( 15%) which would be on par with Allied you guys could have decided your own future and in your own time frame. This was no Enron.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I think all you union supports are crazy as hell. The union expressly said that they were going to PTS out of business. Since when does a union have the right to decide who stays in business and who has to shut down. If PTS was in that much trouble it would have gone under on its own. What right do they have to step in on it. Your leaders are probably on the take with Allied. Did you ever think of that. If they were so worried about the drivers and the paycut why didnt they lower you dues to help you out? Think about how much that union takes in with the dues a year. Where is all that going? In to their pockets and high saleries? The unions did have a place about 50 years ago but times change. They now seem to feel that they own everything and make promises that they can’t keep. Wake up and smell the roses! Not only did they put drivers, mechanics, and yard people out of work they cant keep their promises to them now. The whole union should be overhauled with new people in charge who care about the union employes and step up with the times. Those of you who think that is no big thing to be out of work just wait awhile when you savings are gone and your homes are in forclosure.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Leasewayover: ARE YOU MENTAL?!? You must be on some other planet. The company lost 11 million dollars in the first quarter. They were in default on the loan to Black Diamond. The second lein holders were trying to get PTS liquidated in chapter 7. This was all before the strike even started.
June 3 (Bloomberg) — Performance Transportation Services Inc., the second-largest car hauler in the U.S., should be liquidated immediately to stem losses averaging $4.5 million a month since the Chapter 11 filing in November, secured lenders CIT Group/Business Credit Inc. and Bayerische Hypo-und Vereinsbank AG, New York Branch, recommended to the bankruptcy court in papers filed May 30. The motion by the revolving credit lenders is scheduled for hearing on June 20.
The two lenders contend there is no reasonable likelihood of reorganization.
The Chapter 11 case shifted into a new gear last week when the company filed a motion saying it needs an interim 15 percent wage reduction from workers represented by the Teamsters union or the company “will be forced to liquidate.\’\’ The motion to impose lower wages was put onto the calendar for a June 4 hearing. U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Michael Kaplan in Buffalo, New York, said he might decide that the union hasn\’t been given enough time to answer.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Madashell: There is one flaw to your theory. By putting us 1500 or so PTS employeesout of union carhaul, they also are going to have to go without those dues they so desperately need according to you. At $44.38 per 1500 dues paying members that comes to $66570.00 per month! Why would they throw all that money away you claim was only lining their pockets? Hell at the 15% pay cut rate it still comes to $56580.00 per month. Seems to me that you’re the one not thinking it through because by your logic they would have been FOR the pay cut instead.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Leasewayover & Madashell I’m sure that you’ll do just fine with a non-union carrier where your love for your employer and how far you can put your tongue up your dispatchers butt are all that matter.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm
ALLIED/YUCAPIA WANTED IT THIS WAY, PTS PUT ON A GOOD SHOW FOR THE EMPLOYEES, BUT IF PTS DIDN’T WANT TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS, THE MONEY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IS CHUMP CHANGE FOR YUCAPIA, THEY WILL GET A LOT OF THE BUSINESS IN THE LONG TERM AND GET IT AT A 15% CUT, A LITTLE HARDER THAN THEY FIGURED, BUT THE END RESULT WILL BE THE SAME, DON’T REALLY THINK THAT THER WORRIED ABOUT THE DUES MONEY, WHAT THERE WORRIED ABOUT IS THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION INTO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE FUNDS 1500 EMPLOYEES EQUALS ABOUT 2.6 MILLION A MONTH, THIS HAS HAPPENED AT THE MOST FAVORABLE TIME IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH ALL THE PLANTS GOING ON VACATION, IF THEY CAN SALVAGE 50% OF THE JOBS GOING TO OTHER COMPANIES, THEN SALVAGE MORE LATER WHEN PTS EQUIPMENT BECOMES AVAILABLE TO ALLIED, THEN WITH THIS SHITTY CONTRACT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HIRE MORE DRIVERS IS THERE PLAN, THEY WILL COME OUT AHEAD IN THE LONG RUN , THEY THINK, UNLESS WE VOTE IT DOWN .
July 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
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July 2nd, 2008 at 7:10 am
Homer you are so out of touch. Hows employment insurance paying these days. Is it paying your bills. You read a couple of financial articles and presume your company is done and you call me mental. The company closed as a direct result of the strike and the Teamsters unwillingness to negotiate in good faith. No other reason. Yes there were motions on the floor from a couple of creditors to liquidate. Chances are that the motions would have been denied. You will never know.
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
well here we r on this july 2nd of 2008 and whats new.. you have a bunch of teamster that keep pay dues to get f*#k.. well if you u just send those dues to me i promise u i won’t lie to u and i’ll be gentle as well.. to that carslinger911 guy is ashame that u call me a scab.. cuz at united road i know what to expect, where as u in the teamsters went right out and CROSSED THE PICKET LINES of ur teamster brothers when u was surposed to stand by them… and u have nerves to call me a scab the biggest scab is that guy zuckerman and hoffa!!!!!!!! who sold u dreams when all they did is ruin ur contract.. yeah u use to make more than the non union carrier now we r only pinnies apart just like 560 said active is the next to file bankrupcty and come get some of that money you use to make.. open ur eyes nly unions that r strong r the ones that work with each other!!!!! i’ll leave u on this note when they were tryin to orgnaize united road local 560 went to all the locals in the midwest and ask them to help in the orgnaztion of united road they where told to do it on there own… now u tell me is that brotherhood when one teamster is on strike and the other crosses.. is just like a wife ugo to work and the next man comes in to leave his load……. OPEN UR EYES I MAY BE THE ONE RETRAINING U WHEN U COME GET AN APP TO WORK FOR US…. its only a matter of time carhauling teamsters r dieing by the minute and u know it.. take a stand before u start the name calling!!!!!!!!! zuckerman hoffa 2010… lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
WOW,
YOU CAN SPOT A SCAB A MILE AWAY. I WAS ON STRIKE WITH PTS IN BROOKFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS. I’M GLAD I HELPED PUT PTS OUT OF BUSINESS!!! AT LEAST WE HAD THE BALLS TO STAND UP AGAINST BIG MONEY. THAT WHOLE SITUATION WAS JUST A MONEY GRAB. F**K THEM!!! THEY DIDN’T GET ANY OF MY MONEY. JEFF CORNISH WILL SOON BE OUT OF A JOB SOON TOO. ALL YOU PTS SUCK ASSES GO F**K YOURSELVES. YEAH THE COMPANY IS ALWAYS RIGHT. YOU WILL WORK 100 HOURS A WEEK FOR 1/3 THE PAY. HAVE SOME PRIDE IN YOURSELF. CARHAULING IS TOUGH WORK WORTH TWICE THE MONEY. I’M WORTH $30.00 AN HOUR EVEN THEN I’M UNDER PAID. THE REALLY BAD THING ABOUT A UNION IS THAT WE CANNOT CHOSE OUR MEMBERS. WE HAVE TO TAKE EVERY SCAB C**KERSUCKER THAT COMES ALONG. YEAH THEY TAKE ALL THE BENIFITS AND PAY THAT GO ALONG WITH BEING IN A UNION BUT NEVER GIVE ANYTHING BACK. NEVER SAY BOO,FILE NO GRIEVENCES,NEVER ATTEND A UNION MEETING,EVERY CHANCE THEY BAD MOUTH THE UNION TO EVERONE THEY MEET. F**CK YOU ALL!! I WORK TOO HARD FOR THE MONEY THEY PAY US. I AM NOT OVERPAID!! IF THIS CONTRACT PASSES I’LL BE SHOCKED. WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER AND TELL THE BROTHERHOOD THIS CONTRACT SUCKS!!! GROW SOME HAIR ON YOUR BALLS AND TAKE A STAND,VOTE NO!! WE CAN DEFEAT THIS PIECE OF S*IT. REMEMBER WE,WE,ARE THE UNION.THEY WORK FOR US!! UNITE WE STAND,DIVIDED WE FALL. WITH THE PTS CLOSING ONLY MAKES US STRONGER. THE BROTHERHOOD WILL NOT TELL YOU THIS. THEY TOOK OUT
25% OF THE CAPACITY IN THE INDUSTRY. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH 3 CAR CARRIERS IN THE COUNTRY TO HANDLE THE CAPACITY. THAT IS THE MASTER PLAN. STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES FOR ONCE AND REALISE ONLY 1 IN 300 DRIVERS CAN DO WHAT YOU DO, SHOW SOME PRIDE!! GROW SOME BALLS. WE HAVE THE UPPER HAND NOW!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Amen Carhauler25! I don’t use such harsh language but I agree 100%.
Leasewayover in response to what you said:
http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=%22Performance+Transportation%22&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1&submit.x=11&submit.y=1&submit=submit
It’s all there covered from day 1.
http://www.emailwire.com/release/13713-PERFORMANCE-Bankruptcy-News-Issue-No-46.html
http://topstories.troubledcompanyreporter.com/stories/200805305.html
Yeah just a couple of articles. Numbskull…
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 am
VOTE NO ON THE NEW CONTRACT. WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR. WE WILL NOT BE SCREWED ANYMORE. WE CAN TAKE BACK THIS INDUSTRY IF WE FIGHT ALONG SIDE EACH OTHER. I WALKED THE PICKET LINE FOR THE WEEK, IT TOOK TO CLOSE PTS. EVERYONE ON THAT LINE HAD THEIR OWN DEMONS TO STOMP ON, I STOOD UP FOR EVERY TEAMSTER CARHAULER THAT WEEK, PLEASE STAND UP WITH ME… VOTE NO !!!
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 am
I LIKE THIS WEBSITE, BUT THE ONE FLAW THAT I SEE IS THAT IT’S NOT ALL UNION MEMBERS POSTING HERE. IF SOMEONE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A SITE THAT JUST TEAMSTERS COULD BELONG TO, WE COULD ORGANIZE A REAL RESPONSE TO THIS CRISIS. NO DIS-RESPECT TO NON-UNION HAULERS, BUT YOU ARE ALL PART OF THE PROBLEM IN OUR INDUSTRY, NOT THE SOLUTION… THE FACT THAT YOU CAN’T SEE THIS, SAYS IT ALL…
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:26 am
http://teamstersonline.com/forums/
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Homer Do you know how many times Allied has been on the brink of financial ruin? They have been to hell and back many times over the last 30 years and the only difference between them and PTS is that they are still here.
All im saying to you is that you were convinced by people who had their own agenda that PTS was going down but in actual fact they could have got through this and reorganized. I have seen it before. So dont feel so proud of your self because you only screwed yourself. Im sure Cornish already has a good job. Where will you be a year from now and how much will you be making?
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:08 pm
[...] This post on The car hauler is what set me thinking about this: [...]
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Well thanks Homer for selling me out with another web site ( I don’t care)
As far as another teamster web site I had one. TerminaLink.com also known as thecarhauler. It had private rooms with verified teamster members even a Private Stewards office. The problem was the costs were high and Carhaulers just won’t use it or the Internet for that matter. So I put up this cheap site that’s not good enough and still the response is small. This site average is only about 250 to 300 a day and most do not post or sign up. After this contract thing passes readership will just fall off to nothing.
Most members are now Contributors, which means you can write your own post. As long as it is not some hate speech I will Publish it so just jump on in. If you find you are not a Contributor just ask and I will upgrade you
July 4th, 2008 at 12:33 am
hey carhauler25, i bet u can spot a scab a mile away… then why dont u stand up and stop paying ur dues to the ones that r selling u out… u can sit there and say how much more u make but can u say that u gonna have a job a year from now??? u talk about ur pension but u know what, thats uncertain if you’ll get that when u retire… all u have to do is phone some of ur brothers at local 469 who r in danger of losing everything they put in… u sit there calling the non union carhaulers co*ks#*ker, but u know what a bunch of them were once teamster who woke up and realized that the union was just out for them selves and nutting more.. yeah u guys only pay dues for ur health & welfare that only covers 80% of medical… when our medical plan covers 95% of all medical coverage with a million dollar cap while ur teamster plan only gives u 250000 cap.. lets talk facts instead of that crap u’ve sayin.. another our 401k r matched to max of our dollars what can u say about yours… also we have profit sharing do u even get to talk about that with ur company or does the union do the talking for u so u can’t get that… u need to start opening ur eyes and wake up… and if ur gonna take ur union back it has nutting to do with the nonunion it has to do with all the dogs with the bark and no teeth in ur union!!!!!!!! so please stop throwing stones at the ones not respondable for selling u out its ur leaders that r doing that for us so wake up and stop picking a fight with the quiet one and pick the fight with the one that talking all this crap about brotherhood but inturn goes to bed with ron burke!!!!!!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Hey Chains… Well where did you get my pics from if not from Teamsters Online? The discussion re: carhaul has fallen off pretty much there anyway. It’s a lot livlier here.
July 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
I told you that’s where I stole them. That is also me, Chainsdraging over there.
July 7th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Good morning fellow parking lot peddlers. Sure is strange,freight getting a better deal then us. We all can/did freight and 90%+ of them washout in their first year trying carhaul. Sure is strange,major contract in the works and local 299 web site off line for last 2 months. Sure be nice to know how any of the Art 5 grievances are going. So far as I can tell only jc/leaseway in lansing/delta twp seem to be settled. My BA says ford traffic not allocated (bid?) yet.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE CARHAUL INDUSTRY WE NEED TO STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER AND SEND A MESSAGE TO OUR LEADERSHIP THAT WE WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS P.O.S. OF A CONTRACT. ALL THAT CONTRACT DOES IS ALLOW RON BURKLE TO GET HIS MONEY BACK IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS ON OUR BACKS. THERE IS NO PROOF THAT ALLIED WILL EVEN SURVIVE AFTER THIS P.O.S. CONTRACT. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THE POWER ALLIED IS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN WHERE ARE THE MANUFACTURES GOING TO GO? THERE AREN’T ENOUGH SCABS TO HAUL THE PRODUCT. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS STAND TOGETHER AS ONE VOICE TO TELL THE POWERS THAT BE TO GET BACK TO THE BARGAINING TABLE AND NEGOTATE A CONTRACT WITH OUR NEEDS FIRST!!!
AS FOR TEAMSTER CARHAULING IS DEAD YOU ARE A SCAB,YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A SCAB, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A SCAB. ITS PIECES OF S**T LIKE YOU THAT ARE ALWAYS RUNNING YOUR MOUTH HOW BAD THE UNION IS. YOU EVER BEEN IN A UNION? I’LL BET THE ANSWER IS NOOOOO!!! IF YOU HAVE BEEN YOU WERE A MEMBER THAT NEVER EVER DID ANYTHING TO FURTHER THE UNION IN ANY WAY. ALL YOU DID WAS RUN YOUR MOUTH TO WHO EVER WOULD LISTEN. SO GO “F” YOURSELF YOUR A F**KING SCAB!!!!
July 7th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
There is no question in my mind that the contract will be voted in. Teamsters knows this for a fact. Why do you think they didnt bring PTS anything to vote on? Because the drivers would have voted yes and they didnt want that. Now they want it and they will get it. We all know that drivers talk the talk but when push comes to shove 7 out of 10 who say they will vote no usually vote yes. The master plan of Teamsters continues.
July 7th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
WELL IF IT’S A MASTER PLAN, THEY HAD BETTER PLAN ON BUYING MORE TRUCKS AND HIRING MORE DRIVERS, GOTTA MAKE MY MONEY ON THE CLOCK, LOG ABOUT 45 MPH, BREAK DOWN A LOT, AND RUN OUT OF HOURS, THERE WILL BE NO MONEY TO BE MADE DRIVING IN THIS CONTRACT, SO IT WILL BE JUST LIKE THE WESTERN CONFERENCE, MAKE IT ON THE CLOCK. THERE WON’T BE NO MORE SAVING HOURS TO MAKE ANOTHER RUN, IT WILL BE BURN BABY BURN, RUN OUT AND GET PAID.
BUT I STILL THINK WE ALL HAVE ENOUGH BRAINS TO VOTE IT DOWN.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:06 am
You Teamster drivers seriousily need to wake up and smell the coffee! You’ve been getting crappy contracts for over a decade now, but want to blame non-union carriers for your apparent destruction. In case you haven’t noticed non-union carriers are loading right beside you at a majority of prominent automotive plants. Who’s fault is that? Your Unions fault. Instead of making backdoor deals with your companies maybe they should of attempted to organize these non-union carhaul companies. But they didn’t and just allowed them to grow bigger and stronger. If you think that a non-union carrier cannot take your work, your seriousily mistaken because its happening all over. The Big 3 have been attempting to divert all union carhaul work to non-union carriers for years, and its working. If you didn’t realize that you live under a rock. Plus over 70% of foreign new car freight now is being hauled by non-union carriers. Again, WAKE UP! Instead of pointing fingers at non-union carriers taking your work, you should be complaining to your Union for lack of organizing them. Jr.Hoffa is no better than his Dad. He’s simply stuffing his pockets while the Teamster members get SMALLER and SMALLER every year. The writing has been on the wall since 1997 and your Teamster leaders have done NOTHING.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I think you need to read my post , nowhere have i ever blamed non-union carrier’s taken business, and the writing has been on the wall since about ‘85,after the strike that we kept the 2 tier wage’s from coming in, that freight let get started then, that’s when they started getting rail lots, and they have been getting more and more ever since, one of the prominent non=union carriers is less than a mile from the local in dallas, there everywhere, we have another one that has probably 100 trucks in the area hauling kia’s,mitibushi’s,and volkswagens,another one in houston probably has 150 drivers, most of them x-union drivers hauling toyota’s, bringing home more money than we can now, and they will be making 30 to 40% more than we do if this contract get’s through. the union has been doing things ,they haven’t been doing nothing, they have been having meetings in places like naples, fl in the winter time , and whitfish mt. in the summet time, phoenix in the spring, working hard playing golf, all at our expense, they have the life’s of CEO,’S of a major business, which that is all the union is now is a business, a business to create jobs to pay into the health and wefare fund’s to keep it afloat, they don’t care about there drivers standard of living at all, it’s evident. but if i’m going to have to stay out 5 tours, whatever a tour is,it’s not going to be in a pos truck, making peanuts , if they want to me stay out 5 tours , making peanuts, i want a chromed up large car that will run about 120. AND NOT ONE PERSON HAS BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT A TOUR IS GOING TO BE.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
It’s whats not Written that is the most to fear. We don’t know what they are going to do to us. There is a lot of open interpretation to this.
As far as short freight just look at what they did in Orlando. A drive out service for the short freight.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am
You are exactly right non-union wages for carhaul now exceed that of Teamster carhaulers, and the equipment is FAR better. Not to mention non-union shops do not have a million rules to follow in order to keep your job. You simply go out and haul cars. Theres no bickering either amongest the drivers like there are at Teamster barns. The Union has allowed the companies to pit driver against driver and tear apart the unity that used to be TEAMSTER from back in the 70’s, and thats sad. The simple fact is there should be no hard feelings between union and non-union carhaulers. We are all professionals doing the same job. I would like to see more Teamster carhaulers come over, because I know that they can do the job. I was a Teamster for 15 years and resigned and bought my own 10 car in 1999. It was the best move I ever made. I now haul the freight I want to haul for the rate I want, which averages about $4 per mile. My advice to all the professional Teamster drivers is to just buy your own truck and find your own freight, theres plenty out there. And I know for a fact that non-union company drivers average $1500-$1800 a week driving really good equipment. My personal opinion is that the day of Teamster carhaul is all but over, and I feel for you guys and have no hard feelings whatsoever.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
And not to be rude but CARHAULER25 sounds like a 25 year old carhauler, not a carhauler of 25 years..LOL When he wakes up to find out his contract has been voted in, I think he might have a heartache. Anyone with any common sense knows that this new contract is going to pass because the Teamster BIG WIGS want it to. They’ll just keep revising it until you get sick of voting on it with same language and cram it down your throut anyway. Thats how the Teamsters work now. They know its a terrible contract but also know who holds all the cards, and its not them! And you’ll never get a straight answer from any BA from any local because the INTERNATIONAL will not allow them to. The BA’s are there basically to reinforce the Internationals position and push it through. He’ll stand up and tell you that the companies need these concessions to compete. What a crock of crap. If you had a clue as to how much money the Cassens, Allieds, E&L, and JC’s are making every year it would make you ill. And the Teamsters need that money to survive and they’ll give away your soul to keep it coming in. The Teamsters have been in these companies pockets for years and that will not change. The Teamsters cannot afford to lose carhaul revenue after all the losses they have had in the last 2 decades. So they’ll just pass the losses on to their members as usual. Its quite simple to understand really and has nothing to do with non-union carriers. But it is a nice front to put up!
July 11th, 2008 at 11:05 am
THE UNIONMEN
By Henry Hewson
New England Transportation
SOME MEMBERS KEEP THEIR UNION STRONG
WHILE OTHERS JOIN AND JUST BELONG
SOME DIG RIGHT IN,SOME SERVE WITH PRIDE
SOME GO ALONG JUST FOR THE RIDE
SOME VOLUNTEER TO DO THEIR SHARE
WHILE SOME LAY BACK AND JUST DON’T CARE
SUNDAY MEETINGS,SOME ALWAYS SHOW
WHILE THERE ARE THOSE WHO NEVER GO
SOME DO THEIR BEST,TO BUILD AND MAKE
SOME NEVER GIVE, BUT ALWAYS TAKE
SOME LAG BEHIND,SOME LET THINGS GO
SOME NEVER HELP THEIR UNION GROW
SOME DRAG,SOME PULL,SOME DON’T,SOME DO
CONSIDER WHICH OF THESE ARE YOU?
July 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
ONE AGAIN SCABS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO POST ON THIS SITE.
THE DETERATION OF THE CARHAUL INDUSTRY OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS IS IN DIRECT PROPORTION TO THE RISE IN SCAB(OH! I’M SORRY)NON-UNION CARHAULERS. ALL YOU SCABS HAVE TO OFFER IS RATE CUTTING,LOWERING OF THE WORKING CONDITIONS. THAT INCLUDES PAY AND BENIFIT PACKAGES!!! ALL THEY DO IS PAY YOU DRIVERS JUST BELOW THE UNION SCALE. THE COMPANY HAS TO TREAT YOU SOMEWHAT GOOD TO KEEP THE UNION OUT. JUST THINK HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WOULD BE MAKING IF THERE WAS NO UNION. REMEMBER THERE IS ALWAYS THE IMPLIED THREAT OF THE BROTHERHOOD HANGING IN THE AIR. YOUR TOTAL PAY PACKAGE NO WAY COMPARES TO OURS. ALL THE COMPANYS DOES IS PAY YOU!! YES, IN THE BEGINNING YOU DRIVE GOOD EQUIPMENT,JUST ASK THE BLUE THUNDER DRIVERS,BY THE WAY THEY ARE OUT OF BUSINESS!! YES, RANDY SCAB(NO APOLIGYS HERE) COMPANYS DO GO OUT OF BUSINESS ALSO. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE WORKING TODAY DOESN’T MEAN YOU WILL BE WORKING AT THAT SHITTY COMPANY IN THE FUTURE. THE WAY THEY MAKE MONEY IS THEY DO NOT MAINTAIN THE EQUIPMENT!!! ASK ANY FORMER BLUE THUNDER DRIVERS HOW MUCH MONEY THEY LOST BECAUSE THEIR TRUCK WAS IN THE SHOP. SO DON’T TELL ME HOW GREAT IT IS TO WORK FOR A SCAB COMPANY. PLEASE DON’T TELL ME ABOUT YOUR 401K’S, PROFIT SHARING,SHITTY HEALTH INSURANCE AND SO FORTH. THE COMPANYS ALL KNOW YOU WILL NEVER BE AROUND TO COLLECT ANYTHING. HOW MANY 15 YEAR DRIVERS DO YOU EVER SEE AT A SCAB COMPANY. BLUE THINDER HAD A 400% TURNOVER IN 6 YEARS!! IF YOU THINK ALL THESE UNIONISED CARRIERS ARE MAKING ALL THAT MONEY, JUST THINK HOW MUCH YOUR COMPANY IS MAKING OFF OF YOU!! I REALLY DON’T CARE HOW MUCH THE COMPANY MAKES AS LONG AS I GET MY FAIR SHARE. MORE POWER TO THEM.ABOUT ORGANISING, STUPID,IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT,IT COME FROM WITHIN. ITS UP TO YOU, SCAB(I’M SORRY) NON-UNION DRIVER TO ORGANISE YOURSELVES. THE ONLY THING IS YOU ARE CHICKENSHIT TO DO SO. YOU ARE ALL SCARED TO STAND UP LIKE A MAN AND UNIONISE YOURSELVES. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO ORGANISE GUARANTEED BY THE NATIONAL LABOR REALATIONS ACT, BUT DO YOU SCABS EXERCISE THAT RIGHT? NOOOOO! YOU WANT THE BROTHERHOOD TO COME IN AND BE THE BAD GUY. YOU SCABS HAVE NO BALLS. BE A MAN!! YOU SHOULDN’T HOPE FOR